Friday, May 30, 2008

Is climate change designed to manufacture global consent?

Abandoned Stuff story: Climate Change = Loss of Liberty

The following is an excerpt of the comments from that story.
Please note I am unaffiliated with respect to climate change. I wish merely to engage in a healthy dialog about the issue.

JimBobby:

Whooee! Interesting stuff, suspect as it is. Any crisis can be used by authoritarians and dictators to curtail rights. Even a trumped up terrorist threat can create an atmosphere where basic human rights like habeas corpus and free speech are denied. I don’t doubt that power freaks could capitalize on the climate crisis and usurp extraordinary powers.

So far, however, we’re seeing very little sign of that. The most authoritarian among us have been the same ones who pooh-pooh the climate as a serious issue. The most authoritarian regime in US history has done all it can to erase the words “global warming” and climate change” from the public lexicon.

Those who have been sounding the alarm on climate change are not your typical authoritarians. Despite paranoid delusions of some Luddites, no one was out taking names of the power hogs who turned on every light for Earth Hour. No eco-wacko-treehuger gestapo has materialized to stomp on the rights of energy wasters and AGW deniers.

Commonsense and anecdotal observation tells the sentient among us that we have a problem with climate. That problem is backed up by the vast majority of international scientists. A wide majority of Canadians, North Americans and Europeans accept the fact that there is a crisis developing. Yet, we are not seeing any evidence that concern for the future existence of the planet or of the human race has triggered any jack-booted responses.

Good work on exposing the background of this alarmist, Sasky.

JB

Ashley Johnston:

Very nice observations. I will try to deal with them as best I can.

“doubt that power freaks could capitalize on the climate crisis and usurp extraordinary powers”
A. Jones suggests that the ‘carbon tax’ is part of just such a plan.

“The most authoritarian among us have been the same ones who pooh-pooh the climate as a serious issue.”
Most authoritarians support initiatives that (seemingly) help themselves, rather than the authorities. And there are multiple authorities, government, corporate, financial, pushing different initiatives.

“Those who have been sounding the alarm on climate change are not your typical authoritarians.”
These are the ‘do gooders’ in Friedman’s ‘unholy alliance’.(See video link.) In the words of Bush’s favourite philosopher, ‘They know not what they do.’
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8415234479872701693#2m32s

“[Global warming] is backed up by the vast majority of international scientists.”
That is not the way science is supposed to work. The beauty of science is that it doesn’t depend authority. I am supposed to be convinced by the validity of the experiment. I don’t know anything about these experiments that predict climate change, other than they run on supercomputers that I will never have access to.

We are back to Democritus saying that matter is discontinuous because his mind works better than those who say otherwise. Only now it is about how many megaflops your computer can churn out. Whoever has the best computer gets to dictate the global consciousness.

2 comments:

  1. "Only now it is about how many megaflops your computer can churn out."

    Except that it isn't dependent upon that. If someone has explained it to you that way, they were using a red herring.

    It works like this: Industry puts out green house gases. We know these are greenhouse gases due to simple experiments. We know that if industry was not emitting these gases, there would be less in the atmosphere. We thus know that there is a climate change problem contributed to by humans at some unknown level. The supercomputers simply give an estimation of how much climate change caused by humans is affecting natural cycles. However, as you can reason from the facts given above, it's undeniable that there is climate change caused by human pollution.

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  2. If it were demonstrated that certain gases in the atmosphere were causing warming, and such gases were being produced by industry, that would convince me that climate change was human in origin. That leaves open two questions, is there warming? and what gases are causing it.

    What are these simple experiments you write of?

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